IBhunga lezeNzululwazi laMazwe ngaMazwe kunye neLungu lalo, uMbutho waseTshayina weNzululwazi kunye neTekhnoloji (NGOKUGQIBELA), ngokubambisana ne indalo, baye basungula uluhlu lwe-podcast olunamacandelo amathandathu oluphonononga ubume obuguqukayo bemisebenzi yophando. Kulo lonke uchungechunge, abaphandi bokuqala kunye nabaphakathi bancokola noososayensi abakhulu, ukwabelana ngamava okukhula, intsebenziswano, kunye nokomelela ebusweni benguqu ekhawulezayo.
Kwisiqendu sokugqibela, intatheli yenzululwazi Izzie Clarke uthetha no UNjingalwazi Yongguan Zhu (I-Academy yaseTshayina yeSayensi, i-Vice-President yoBulungu be-ISC) kunye UGqr Charah Watson (IBhunga loPhando lwezeNzululwazi, eJamaica) malunga nokuba izazinzulu zinokusebenzisana njani kumacandelo, amacandelo, kunye nemida.
Incoko iphonononga ukuba "inzululwazi ngaphandle kwemida" ithetha ukuthini ngokwenene - ukusuka kwisayensi yabemi kunye nolwazi lwemveli ukuya kwindima yokucebisa, ukunxibelelana, kunye nokuzingisa ekwakheni uluntu lwenzululwazi yehlabathi. Zombini iindwendwe zabelana ngezimvo zobuqu malunga nendlela yokuyila amathuba, ukoyisa imiqobo, kunye nokukhuthaza uphando olubandakanyayo kunye nolwamacandelo ahlukeneyo ngekamva elizinzileyo.
Izzie Clarke: 00:01
Molweni kwaye wamkelekile kule podcast yokugqibela, enikezelwe ngentsebenziswano kunye neBhunga lezeNzululwazi laMazwe ngaMazwe, ngenkxaso yoMbutho waseTshayina weSayensi kunye neTekhnoloji. Ndiyintatheli yesayensi u-Izzie Clarke.
Ngalo lonke olu ngcelele, siye saphonononga ukuba oosonzululwazi abancinci banokujonga njani kuphuhliso lwekhondo lomsebenzi kwinkqubo yezenzululwazi ehlala itshintsha. Kwaye, kwesi siqendu sokugqibela, siza kuxoxa ngekamva lentsebenziswano yezenzululwazi.
Onditheleleyo nguNjingalwazi uYongguan Zhu osuka kwiZiko leeNzululwazi laseTshayina. UnguMlawuli Jikelele weZiko loPhando leNzululwazi yezendalo, kwaye ukwanguSekela Mongameli woBulungu beBhunga lezeNzululwazi laMazwe ngaMazwe.
Yongguan Zhu: 00:43
Mholo. Mholo.
Izzie Clarke: 00:45
Kwaye uGqr Charah Watson, uMlawuli oyiNtloko kwiBhunga loPhando lwezeNzululwazi e-Kingston, eJamaica.
UCharah Watson: 00:51
Molo unjani?
Izzie Clarke: 00:52
Kakuhle kakhulu Enkosi.
Inzululwazi namhlanje ikwihlabathi jikelele kwaye inxibelelene kunangaphambili. Ke, xa usiva ibinzana elithi 'isayensi engaphaya kwemida', ithetha ukuthini loo nto kumntu ngamnye kuni kwaye kutheni ibalulekile nje loo nto?
Charah, ungathanda ukuqala kuyo?
UCharah Watson: 01:07
Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ke, isayensi ngaphandle komda ithetha isayensi ngaphandle kwemida okanye izithintelo zendawo yejografi, yenkcubeko - yayo nantoni na. Kuba inzululwazi imalunga nezibakala. Inzululwazi imalunga nokufumanisa iinyani zayo yonke kwaye ibonise ngayo ukuze isetyenziswe ukuqhubela phambili nokuba yintoni na esizama ukuyiqhubela phambili.
Kubaluleke kakhulu ukuba imigaqo yenzululwazi kunye neendlela zenzululwazi zigcinwe ukuze nantoni na esiyinikelayo inokuthenjwa. Kwaye ngaphandle kwemiqobo, kuyanceda ekuphuculeni into yokuthenjwa yesayensi esiyikhuphayo.
Izzie Clarke: 01:44
Ngokuqinisekileyo. Kwaye Yongguan, ithetha ntoni kuwe 'inzululwazi ukuwela imida'?
Yongguan Zhu: 01:48
Ndicinga ukuba kweli hlabathi lamazwe ngamazwe, inzululwazi lulwimi oluqhelekileyo. Mhlawumbi lolo kuphela ulwimi oluqhelekileyo olunokumanyanisa abantu kwimida, iilwimi kunye nemiqobo yenkcubeko. Ke, into eneneni esabelana ngayo kunye nokuqhubela phambili impumelelo yoluntu kunye kule lali yehlabathi.
Izzie Clarke: 02:15
Kwaye ungatsho njani ukuba uphando lwezenzululwazi luye lwavela ngaphaya kweelebhu zezemfundo kunye namaziko kunye nayo nayiphi na enye into efana naleyo mva nje, iYongguan?
Yongguan Zhu: 02:28
Ndicinga ukuba uluntu ngokwenene ludinga isayensi eguqukayo ngakumbi enokunceda inguqu ukuya kwikamva eliluhlaza kunye nenempilo. Ke, isayensi ayihlali nje kuluntu lwezazinzulu. Kodwa kufuneka siguqule oko sikufumeneyo kwizisombululo zeengxaki zehlabathi lokwenyani, kunye nokufundisa kuluntu ngokubanzi ukuba luphucule uluntu luphela, ngakumbi kwindawo yesayensi yozinzo, ebandakanya ngokwenene lonke ilungu loluntu, kungakhathaliseki indawo okuyo, ubutyebi bakho kunye nempilo, njl.
Izzie Clarke: 03:09
Ewe, besinesiqendu sangaphambili apho enye yeendwendwe zethu yathetha ngeli hlabathi linye, sinekhaya elinye. Charah, ucinga ntoni ngaloo nto?
UCharah Watson: 03:18
Into esiyibonileyo yile njongo yoshishino, iyakhuthazwa, ilungile kulo lonke uluntu, oko kuthetha ukuba ukufunyanwa kunye nophuhliso lobuchwepheshe, izisombululo, uninzi lwazo luya kusebenzisa imigaqo yenzululwazi engenzekiyo ngaphakathi kwiilabhoratri, ezingenzekiyo ngaphakathi kwiziko lezemfundo. Kwaye kungenxa yokuba sonke sihlangabezana nehlabathi kunye, sonke sihlangabezana nemiceli mngeni, ke ngoko abanye bethu baya kuqalisa ukucinga ngezisombululo. Kwaye nje ukuba uqalise ukucinga ngolo hlobo, ngokuqinisekileyo uya kufumana isayensi eyenzekayo phakathi koluntu.
Kwaye apha eJamaica, ngakumbi, sinento esiyibiza ngokuba ziiMbasa zeSizwe zokuQala. Kwaye uninzi lwezicelo zala mawonga zivela kubantu abanganxulumananga nalo naluphi na uhlobo lweziko, nto leyo ebonisa kuthi ukuba abantu basebenzisa imigaqo yezenzululwazi esisiseko ukufumana iimpendulo kwimiba ejongene nayo.
Izzie Clarke: 04:19
Kwaye ndicinga kumxholo waloo nto, ucinga ukuba yiyiphi indima ocinga ukuba isayensi yabemi kufuneka idlale kwikamva lesayensi, ngokunjalo?
UCharah Watson: 04:29
Esisiseko. Abemi abaphakathi abanakukhutshelwa ngaphandle kuba esinye sesiseko sokuqala kuthi sihlala siphonononga okwenzekayo emhlabeni, sifumana imigqaliselo yakho. Kwaye uya kuzifumana phi uninzi lwazo? Abemi. Kwaye ndiyavuya ukubona ukuba xa uthetha ngentlalo yemveli, izenzo zemveli kunye nenkqubela phambili eyenziwe kwezo sizibonayo, kubaluleke kakhulu ngoku ukuqinisekisa ukuba ubandakanya abanolwazi lwemveli, ukuze bangakhutshelwa ngaphandle kwaphela.
Izzie Clarke: 05:01
Yongguan?
Yongguan Zhu: 05:03
Ndicinga ukuba ngokubandakanya abemi kuya kunceda ukusasaza isayensi. Oko kuqala ukubaluleka. Okwesibini kukuba, eneneni, ngokuzibandakanya nabemi, sikhuthaza abantu abatsha ukuba babe nomdla kwisayensi ukuze senze izizukulwana zethu zexesha elizayo zenzululwazi. Sidinga unikezelo oluqhubekayo lweetalente. Ke, ndicinga ukuba isayensi yabemi nayo inokudlala indima kulo mba.
Izzie Clarke: 05:30
Ewe, ngokupheleleyo.
Kwaye Charah, ngaba kukho naziphi na iingcamango eziphosakeleyo okanye imingeni malunga necandelo elinqamlezayo okanye uphando lwamazwe ngamazwe ongathanda ukucela umngeni?
UCharah Watson: 05:41
Ewe, uninzi lwesayensi yophando, naluphi na uhlobo lophononongo, luya kufuna indlela enqamlezileyo. Akukho nto yenzekayo wedwa. Kwaye enye yeembono eziphosakeleyo kukuba kunzima okanye phantse akunakwenzeka ukwenza, akunjalo. Kwaye ndiya kuba nobuganga bokutsho ukuba yinto ebesisoloko siyenza. Kodwa ngoku ukuba nenjongo ngakumbi kwaye unobuchule ngakumbi, kunye nokudibanisa amachaphaza ukusuka kwangoko endaweni yokuyiqikelela ezantsi kwendlela, ujonge kulo lonke uqhagamshelo lomnqamlezo.
Unxibelelwano luhlala lungumceli mngeni, ngakumbi unxibelelwano lwezesayensi yinto oyiqhelanisayo kwaye uye ube ngcono kuyo. Kuba naxa ndisiya kwiinkomfa zesayensi, uninzi luhamba phezu kwentloko yam kuba sithetha ngeejargons ezithile kwaye siyaliphosa elo thuba lokunxibelelana nalo lonke. Sidinga indlela yentsebenziswano ekujonganeni nemiba okanye imingeni kwaye sibone ulungelelwaniso namacandelo ahlukeneyo anokuthi abandakanyeke.
Izzie Clarke: 06:46
Ewe, kwaye ndicinga ukuba kuthatha inkalipho, akunjalo, ukutsho, eneneni, ungayicacisa loo nto? Kodwa ndicinga ukuba xa usebenzisana nabantu unxibelelwano lubaluleke kakhulu.
Kwaye Yongguan, ngawaphi amanye amathuba kunye nemingeni enokubakho, ngokunjalo, ukuba abaphandi kwangoko kunye naphakathi-career kufuneka bakhumbule xa kuziwa ekusebenzeni kuzo zonke izifundiswa, ishishini, amacandelo karhulumente okanye nolunye uluntu?
Yongguan Zhu: 07:14
Ndicinga ukuba izazinzulu ezisaqalayo umsebenzi, kufuneka zikulungele ukuhlangabezana nobunzima. Kuhlala kukho ubunzima kodwa akufuneki soyike ubunzima kuba nantoni na esifuna ukuyiphumeza sihlala sizama ukoyisa imiqobo. Ngoko ke, musa ukoyika ubunzima, zingisa.
Kwaye enye inqaku kufuneka sihlale sikhumbula amathuba. Nditsho ne-serendities kumsebenzi wam, uninzi lwama-serendities lukhokelela kwintsebenziswano eyimpumelelo. Ke, kufuneka sijonge amathuba kwaye sibambe amathuba okwenza uthungelwano. Oku kubaluleke kakhulu.
Izzie Clarke: 08:01
Ewe, licebiso elihle elo.
Ke, Charah, ngokusuka kumava akho, leliphi inyathelo elibalaseleyo lokuba ube yinxalenye yaloo mida uwele imida - nokuba oko kukunqumla amacandelo, amacandelo okanye amazwe ahlukeneyo? Kwaye unokuthi yintoni enye yezona zinto zinkulu ozifundileyo kula mava?
UCharah Watson: 08:19
Ke, kwiBhunga loPhando lwezeNzululwazi, umsebenzi wethu omninzi ulungiselelwe ukuxhasa ishishini lezolimo laseJamaica. Kufuneka sinxibelelane nee-arhente zikarhulumente ezahlukeneyo, amahlakani ehlabathi, amanye amaziko ophando ehlabathi, kuba into oyifumanayo kumazwe amancinci anje ngeJamaica, ngelixa sinethemba lophando oluninzi, asinayo indlela yokwenza yonke imisebenzi eyahlukeneyo ngaphakathi kwiiprojekthi zethu zophando.
Ibuyela kwakhona ekuqinisekiseni ukuba unesicwangciso esicacileyo esikhoyo kwindlela yokusingatha unxibelelwano kunye nokusebenzisana. Kwaye ndiyakholelwa ukuba sikwinqanaba ngoku apho sinokubonisa ngokucacileyo kwaye sinxibelelane namaqabane ethu. Siyakwazi ukufikelela kwinkxaso-mali yamazwe ngamazwe. Kwaye ufumanisa ukuba amazwe amaninzi asakhulayo anelo xhala. Ngelixa kunokubakho ukufikelela kwinkxaso-mali, kukho ukungahambi kakuhle kwe-ajenda. Kwaye oko kuza kakhulu ngonxibelelwano olungalunganga, ukungazithembi ngokwaneleyo ukuba uchaze ukuba zithini na iimfuno zakho kunye nokuba ungangena njani, endaweni yokuthatha nje kwaye uthi ewe.
Izzie Clarke: 09:32
Ngaba kukho nantoni na oyifumeneyo, ngakumbi, ekunceda ukuba ujonge ezo ndidi zeemeko?
UCharah Watson: 09:39
Ewe. Kuza ekwakheni ubudlelwane. Uyaqonda ukuba umntu ngamnye, ilizwe ngalinye livela phi ukuze into oyiphuhlisayo kunye, into oyiyileyo kunye, ilungelelaniswe ngakumbi kwaye iziphumo zihambelana ngakumbi neenjongo zethu zizonke.
Izzie Clarke: 09:59
Kwaye uYongguan, kubaphandi abasaqalayo, banokuqala njani ukufumana okanye ukwenza olo hlobo lutsha lwamathuba entsebenziswano?
Yongguan Zhu: 10:10
Ingcebiso yam inokuba ungabi neentloni, yivule ingqondo. Kwaye, kwakhona, sihlala sisithi amathuba eengqondo ezilungisiweyo, kodwa oko akwanelanga. Ngokwenyani, kufuneka siphume ngakumbi ukwenza amathuba ophuhliso lwakho lomsebenzi. Khangela amathuba kwaye udale amathuba entsebenziswano.
UCharah Watson: 10:34
Ndivumelana ngokupheleleyo noYongguan. Ithuba lithanda ingqondo elungisiweyo kunye nokudala awakho amathuba, uzenzele eyakho iminyango, kwaye uyivule ngokwakho kwaye ubonise abanye onokuthi uhambe ngayo - kwaye uhambe nam - kubalulekile.
Kum, ndizuze kakhulu kubacebisi abakhulu. Kwaye bakhetha mna. Kwaye kufanele ukuba kukho into malunga nokuvuleka kwam, ebonisa ukuba andizazi izinto ezininzi kwaye ndifuna ukufunda izinto ezininzi. Kwaye abacebisi abafanelekileyo, abantu abafanelekileyo abanokuxhasa, baya kuza ebhodini.
Izzie Clarke: 11:13
Kwaye ndicinga ukuba loo nto ibuyela phantse kwinto ebithethwa nguYongguan ngaphambili, ngokunjalo - jonga nje loo mathuba kwaye uwabambe xa ezazisa.
Ke, ujonge kwikamva, yeyiphi eyona ikwenza uchulumancise kakhulu malunga nokuba usiya phi umsebenzi wenzululwazi kunye nenzululwazi?
UCharah Watson: 11:29
Ke, into endivuyisayo ibuyela kumbuzo wakho wokuqala, oyisayensi phakathi kwezifundo, amacandelo kunye nesayensi ngaphandle kwesini. Ngoku, uthatha inxaxheba ngakumbi kuzo zonke izini kwaye iyamangalisa, ngakumbi ukuba ngumfazi kwaye ukwazi ukuba isayensi ilinganiswa ngakumbi kubunzima bayo kunokuba ngubani oyenzayo kwaye apho yenziwa khona.
Izzie Clarke: 11:57
Kwaye ukuba unokunika icebiso elinye kubaphandi bokuqala kunye naphakathi-banethemba lokubumba ikamva lesayensi, ingaba yintoni? Charah?
UCharah Watson: 12:07
Yakha ubudlelwane ngaphambi kokuba ufune. Ezo zezona zinyani kwaye zihlala ixesha elide. Udinga iqela. Ke, kubaluleke kakhulu ukuba uzazi ukuba ungubani na, kubalulekile. Emva koko phuma kwaye wakhe obo budlelwane ngaphandle kokulindela imbuyekezo, kwaye oko kuya kukuxhasa kuwo nawuphi na umsebenzi, nokuba yisayensi, ishishini, nantoni na oyenzayo. Zazi ukuba ungubani, wazi isizathu sakho kwaye wakhe ubudlelwane ngaphambi kokuba ubufune.
Izzie Clarke: 12:36
Okanye uYongguan?
Yongguan Zhu: 12:37
Ewe. Ingcebiso yam inokuba kukuzama ukuya ngaphaya kwemida eqhelekileyo yezifundo zesayensi kule mihla, kuba siya sisiya sisiya sibandakanya iinkalo zoqeqesho kwaye kufuneka sandise umbono wethu kangangoko sinakho. Kufana nokunyuka intaba - okukhona usiba phezulu, kokukhona uya kubona umfanekiso obanzi. Ngokubona umfanekiso omkhulu, uya kufumana amathuba amaninzi, iingxaki ezininzi onokuthi uzilungise kwimisebenzi yakho yexesha elizayo. Licebiso elincinane elo endinokulinika. Enkosi.
Izzie Clarke: 13:16
Hayi enkosi. Kwaye ndiyanibulela nobabini ngokundidibanisa nam namhlanje.
Ukuba ungumphandi wangethuba okanye ophakathi kwaye ufuna ukwakha ubudlelwane bobuchwephesha ukunqumla imida, uze ujoyine iforam yeBhunga lezeNzululwazi laMazwe ngaMazwe leenzululwazi ezisakhasayo.
Tyelela iwebhsayithi ibhunga.inzululwazi/iforum ukufunda ngakumbi. Ndingu-Izzie Clarke, enkosi ngokumamela.
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